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		<title>By: Nicholas Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another source of excellent work on Polyarchy and global low-intensity democracy promotion is the Australian academic Micheal J Barker, operating out of Griffith Uni

http://www.zmag.org/content/AllByAuthor.cfm?lname=Barker&#38;fname=Michael&#38;startrow=1

http://michaeljamesbarker.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another source of excellent work on Polyarchy and global low-intensity democracy promotion is the Australian academic Micheal J Barker, operating out of Griffith Uni</p>
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		<title>By: Deocliciano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deocliciano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much.
I am sure everyone already knows this.
But we are all coward to say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much.<br />
I am sure everyone already knows this.<br />
But we are all coward to say it.</p>
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		<title>By: gowans</title>
		<link>http://gowans.wordpress.com/2007/04/07/talk-left-funded-right/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>gowans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Bond’s April 8th, 8:52 am comment , he writes: “There is no such thing as the “SA Chamber of Commerce”, and CCS has no ties to any business lobbies of any sort (except making regular critiques).” 

He is right. There is no SA chamber of Commerce. But there is a South African Chamber of Business, which is represented on the advisory panel of his "independent" center. The South African Chamber of Business is a business lobby. The claim, then, that “CCS has no ties to any business lobbies of any sort” is wrong.

Is this a deliberate deception, or does Bond not know who is on the advisory panel of his own center? Either way, Bond is not a very reliable source of information on this (nor, as he has shown, on the matter of whether groups like Sokwanele, which are funded by the US government, are truly independent.)

One could make the case that Bond is being deliberately deceptive. By pointing out there is no Chamber of Commerce he is able to avoid addressing the fact that a member of the Chamber of Business (not Commerce) is on the advisory panel of his center (a ruse similar to Clinton's "I never had sex with that woman.") 

Bond’s dishonesty is evident at another level. His arguments are typically personal attacks, the copious use of the word “nonsense” and appeals to authority based on his mailing address – whatever it takes to win a shouting match, and not much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Bond’s April 8th, 8:52 am comment , he writes: “There is no such thing as the “SA Chamber of Commerce”, and CCS has no ties to any business lobbies of any sort (except making regular critiques).” </p>
<p>He is right. There is no SA chamber of Commerce. But there is a South African Chamber of Business, which is represented on the advisory panel of his &#8220;independent&#8221; center. The South African Chamber of Business is a business lobby. The claim, then, that “CCS has no ties to any business lobbies of any sort” is wrong.</p>
<p>Is this a deliberate deception, or does Bond not know who is on the advisory panel of his own center? Either way, Bond is not a very reliable source of information on this (nor, as he has shown, on the matter of whether groups like Sokwanele, which are funded by the US government, are truly independent.)</p>
<p>One could make the case that Bond is being deliberately deceptive. By pointing out there is no Chamber of Commerce he is able to avoid addressing the fact that a member of the Chamber of Business (not Commerce) is on the advisory panel of his center (a ruse similar to Clinton&#8217;s &#8220;I never had sex with that woman.&#8221 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Bond’s dishonesty is evident at another level. His arguments are typically personal attacks, the copious use of the word “nonsense” and appeals to authority based on his mailing address – whatever it takes to win a shouting match, and not much more.</p>
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		<title>By: gowans</title>
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		<dc:creator>gowans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E-mails received in connection with article:

For a laugh, check out some of the organizations listed on the CCS' website as "Other Research Institutes Working on Civil Society"
 
http://www.nu.ac.za/ccs/default.asp?5,14
 
Presumably they are recommended:
 
Ford Foundation
USAID
Friedrich-Ebert Stitfung
Andrew W. Mellon Foundation
and so on. 
 
Somehow I can't picture these sites ending up as links on "What's Left." 

Hmmmm.
And Friedrich-Ebert Stitfung links the Centre for Civil Society......
http://www.fes.de/in_afrika/studien/studien.htm

Check this out:
http://sds.ukzn.ac.za/default.php?7,12,35,4,0
 
I wonder what integration they are talking about - into the Western economic model?
 
Civil Society and Development [ Civil Society]
 
  Brief Description: This research is the product of the Ford Foundation funded Civil Society and African Integration (CSAI) programme, a joint initiative of the School of Development Studies and the Centre for Civil Society at the University of KwaZulu-Natal. The overarching aim of the programme is to build a consortium of universities and private research centres across the continent that will work collaboratively to develop a research and training programme on Civil Society and African Integration. Through its outputs - the development of a critical mass of institutions and researchers; continental and international visibility; a set of publications -  the programme has already created a solid foundation upon which to develop into a useful and permanent feature on Africa’s intellectual landscape that makes important contributions to the objectives of African integration. 
 Additional Participants: Professor Adam Habib; Dr Mammo Muchie
Participants:
 Professor Vishnu Padayachee 
 Professor Patrick Bond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E-mails received in connection with article:</p>
<p>For a laugh, check out some of the organizations listed on the CCS&#8217; website as &#8220;Other Research Institutes Working on Civil Society&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nu.ac.za/ccs/default.asp?5,14" rel="nofollow">http://www.nu.ac.za/ccs/default.asp?5,14</a></p>
<p>Presumably they are recommended:</p>
<p>Ford Foundation<br />
USAID<br />
Friedrich-Ebert Stitfung<br />
Andrew W. Mellon Foundation<br />
and so on. </p>
<p>Somehow I can&#8217;t picture these sites ending up as links on &#8220;What&#8217;s Left.&#8221; </p>
<p>Hmmmm.<br />
And Friedrich-Ebert Stitfung links the Centre for Civil Society&#8230;&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.fes.de/in_afrika/studien/studien.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fes.de/in_afrika/studien/studien.htm</a></p>
<p>Check this out:<br />
<a href="http://sds.ukzn.ac.za/default.php?7,12,35,4,0" rel="nofollow">http://sds.ukzn.ac.za/default.php?7,12,35,4,0</a></p>
<p>I wonder what integration they are talking about - into the Western economic model?</p>
<p>Civil Society and Development [ Civil Society]</p>
<p>  Brief Description: This research is the product of the Ford Foundation funded Civil Society and African Integration (CSAI) programme, a joint initiative of the School of Development Studies and the Centre for Civil Society at the University of KwaZulu-Natal. The overarching aim of the programme is to build a consortium of universities and private research centres across the continent that will work collaboratively to develop a research and training programme on Civil Society and African Integration. Through its outputs - the development of a critical mass of institutions and researchers; continental and international visibility; a set of publications -  the programme has already created a solid foundation upon which to develop into a useful and permanent feature on Africa’s intellectual landscape that makes important contributions to the objectives of African integration.<br />
 Additional Participants: Professor Adam Habib; Dr Mammo Muchie<br />
Participants:<br />
 Professor Vishnu Padayachee<br />
 Professor Patrick Bond</p>
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		<title>By: liz burbank</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz burbank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, congratulations for having the courage to help expose the neoliberal left -- and trotskyism in particular which has historically served as a petty-bourgeois imperialist-zionist conveyor belt in Marxist-Leninist revolutionary drag --from its anti-leninist/Bolshevik days until today's 'neocon' 'ex-trotskyites'.   
[Helpful analysis by Mavrakis in 'On Trotskyism' and 'Trotskyism: Counter-Revolution in Disguise'  by M.J.Oljin]
M-L's revolutionary 'soul' was revived and advanced theoretically and practically by Mao despite the ongoing U.S./left liberal slander.
liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, congratulations for having the courage to help expose the neoliberal left &#8212; and trotskyism in particular which has historically served as a petty-bourgeois imperialist-zionist conveyor belt in Marxist-Leninist revolutionary drag &#8211;from its anti-leninist/Bolshevik days until today&#8217;s &#8216;neocon&#8217; &#8216;ex-trotskyites&#8217;.<br />
[Helpful analysis by Mavrakis in 'On Trotskyism' and 'Trotskyism: Counter-Revolution in Disguise'  by M.J.Oljin]<br />
M-L&#8217;s revolutionary &#8217;soul&#8217; was revived and advanced theoretically and practically by Mao despite the ongoing U.S./left liberal slander.<br />
liz</p>
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		<title>By: gowans</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. I seem to have struck a nerve. I don't recall saying that the Center for Civil Society received USAID funding, but it's nice of Bond to mention that it did. Nor did I say that Bond's Civil Society Center is funded by Ford, Kellogg, ABSA, etc. I said they were connected. Representatives of these organizations sit on the advisory and directory board of Bond's Civil Society Center. Bond, and others like him, want us to believe that civil society is self-funding, that groups like Sokwanele, Radio SF Africa and even Bond’s Center, get their money from bake sales and selling raffle tickets. 

The US is using civil society to carry out color revolutions. Bond is the director of a center for civil society. His center's website links to the MDC, the principal formal opposition group the US is using to bring about a color revolution in Zimbabwe. Bond celebrates a US-funded group Sokwanele, which would be one of the principal vanguard movements in a Zimbabwean color revolution. And yet Bond insists he, and the center, are completely independent of the aims of the US government. 

Bond presents himself as a serious scholar, and yet his arguments against the Zanu-PF government draw, almost word for word, from the same bag of cliches the Zimbabwe ISO group used. One can hardly take seriously anyone who asserts, with no sense of shame or embarrassment, that “The Zim counter-example, frankly, is a useful one for imperialism to keep alive,” or that “imperialism doesn’t need regime change in Zimbabwe.” Patrick, wake up, and look across the Limpopo river.

Bond’s protests remind me of the fiercely anti-communist social democrats who were generously funded by the CIA during the Cold War, and knew it, but vehemently insisted they were independent of Washington’s aims all the same. Movements, political parties and media have knowingly accepted funding from Western governments, their agencies and pro-imperialist foundations, while proclaiming their complete independence. Members of these groups may genuinely believe they remain aloof from their backer’s aims (and in the West it is often the very groups that claim not to take sides that are the favored recipients of this lucre), but self-deception is an insidious thing – and the promise of oodles of cash is hard to resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I seem to have struck a nerve. I don&#8217;t recall saying that the Center for Civil Society received USAID funding, but it&#8217;s nice of Bond to mention that it did. Nor did I say that Bond&#8217;s Civil Society Center is funded by Ford, Kellogg, ABSA, etc. I said they were connected. Representatives of these organizations sit on the advisory and directory board of Bond&#8217;s Civil Society Center. Bond, and others like him, want us to believe that civil society is self-funding, that groups like Sokwanele, Radio SF Africa and even Bond’s Center, get their money from bake sales and selling raffle tickets. </p>
<p>The US is using civil society to carry out color revolutions. Bond is the director of a center for civil society. His center&#8217;s website links to the MDC, the principal formal opposition group the US is using to bring about a color revolution in Zimbabwe. Bond celebrates a US-funded group Sokwanele, which would be one of the principal vanguard movements in a Zimbabwean color revolution. And yet Bond insists he, and the center, are completely independent of the aims of the US government. </p>
<p>Bond presents himself as a serious scholar, and yet his arguments against the Zanu-PF government draw, almost word for word, from the same bag of cliches the Zimbabwe ISO group used. One can hardly take seriously anyone who asserts, with no sense of shame or embarrassment, that “The Zim counter-example, frankly, is a useful one for imperialism to keep alive,” or that “imperialism doesn’t need regime change in Zimbabwe.” Patrick, wake up, and look across the Limpopo river.</p>
<p>Bond’s protests remind me of the fiercely anti-communist social democrats who were generously funded by the CIA during the Cold War, and knew it, but vehemently insisted they were independent of Washington’s aims all the same. Movements, political parties and media have knowingly accepted funding from Western governments, their agencies and pro-imperialist foundations, while proclaiming their complete independence. Members of these groups may genuinely believe they remain aloof from their backer’s aims (and in the West it is often the very groups that claim not to take sides that are the favored recipients of this lucre), but self-deception is an insidious thing – and the promise of oodles of cash is hard to resist.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Bond (bondp@ukzn.ac.za)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Bond (bondp@ukzn.ac.za)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gowans accuses the Centre for Civil Society - which I joined in October 2004 - of being 'connected to' Kellogg and Ford, SA NGO Coalition, ABSA Bank and the SA Chamber of Commerce. As his source we get our CCS website, that's all: http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs (Reflecting his research skills, Gowans thinks we are based at the University of Natal, the old apartheid-era name.)
 
The most serious insult Gowans might fling were he to do some actual research, is that at one point CCS was funded by US AID on a research capacity-building project with 33 community activists in 2003. However, US AID soon withdrew the funding - and even demanded back money already deposited in the UKZN bank account - after my predecessor Adam Habib began outspoken criticism of the Iraq invasion. Late last year Adam - now one of the SA government's top research officers - was prohibited entry to the US, spending a day in custody at JFK: http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley12112006.html.

Some debunking:
* As far as I know, CCS has no formal links to Kellogg and never has.
* CCS once received Ford funding but not since 2004; one result of the funding was this book: http://www.ukznpress.co.za/book.php?action=displaybook&#38;conf[bookid]=261.
* The SA NGO Coalition has no formal connection to CCS, and in any case it is laughable to put Sangoco in the category of the ruling class (as even a glance here will show: www.sangoco.org.za - just look at the lead cartoon) .
* There is no such thing as the "SA Chamber of Commerce", and CCS has no ties to any business lobbies of any sort (except making regular critiques).
* As for ABSA banking group, not only is there no connection, I challenge Gowans to identify anyone who has written as many critiques of ABSA and SA banking more generally than myself. One of the things I've criticised ABSA for is their connections to the Mugabe regime via Jewel Bank, a point I made last week here - http://www.counterpunch.org/bond03272007.html - which apparently Gowans didn't read, judging by his backfire allegation. No doubt Gowans will pull out p.42 of this document - www.nu.ac.za/ccs/files/annual-report2005.pdf - and find a CCS 'advisory board member' from ABSA Foundation. So for the record, during my time at CCS, he has never come to a single meeting or event and I've never met, spoken or communicated to him. So 'no connection' is still accurate

On the matter of MDC economic policy-making and imperialist interests, I challenge Gowans to find anyone who subjects the party to such detailed critique as myself and coauthor Simba Manyanya, in Zimbabwe's Plunge: http://www.ukznpress.co.za/book.php?action=displaybook&#38;conf[bookid]=191.

On how "these policies would benefit the corporations, investors and banks connected to Bond's Center for Civil Society", I challenge Gowans to find any academic centre in SA working as hard against neoliberalism and imperialism.

Gowans is not only politically ridiculous, he is incompetent, and I won't take him seriously any more. Ironically Gowans relied on one of my articles for 1/3 of his citations in his critique of the ANC: http://www.counterpunch.org/gowans04032004.html - but from here on out, I hope he steers clear, given what a wreckless driver he is on the info highway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gowans accuses the Centre for Civil Society - which I joined in October 2004 - of being &#8216;connected to&#8217; Kellogg and Ford, SA NGO Coalition, ABSA Bank and the SA Chamber of Commerce. As his source we get our CCS website, that&#8217;s all: <a href="http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs" rel="nofollow">http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs</a> (Reflecting his research skills, Gowans thinks we are based at the University of Natal, the old apartheid-era name.)</p>
<p>The most serious insult Gowans might fling were he to do some actual research, is that at one point CCS was funded by US AID on a research capacity-building project with 33 community activists in 2003. However, US AID soon withdrew the funding - and even demanded back money already deposited in the UKZN bank account - after my predecessor Adam Habib began outspoken criticism of the Iraq invasion. Late last year Adam - now one of the SA government&#8217;s top research officers - was prohibited entry to the US, spending a day in custody at JFK: <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley12112006.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/tilley12112006.html</a>.</p>
<p>Some debunking:<br />
* As far as I know, CCS has no formal links to Kellogg and never has.<br />
* CCS once received Ford funding but not since 2004; one result of the funding was this book: <a href="http://www.ukznpress.co.za/book.php?action=displaybook&amp;confbookid=261" rel="nofollow">http://www.ukznpress.co.za/book.php?action=displaybook&amp;confbookid=261</a>.<br />
* The SA NGO Coalition has no formal connection to CCS, and in any case it is laughable to put Sangoco in the category of the ruling class (as even a glance here will show: <a href="http://www.sangoco.org.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.sangoco.org.za</a> - just look at the lead cartoon) .<br />
* There is no such thing as the &#8220;SA Chamber of Commerce&#8221;, and CCS has no ties to any business lobbies of any sort (except making regular critiques).<br />
* As for ABSA banking group, not only is there no connection, I challenge Gowans to identify anyone who has written as many critiques of ABSA and SA banking more generally than myself. One of the things I&#8217;ve criticised ABSA for is their connections to the Mugabe regime via Jewel Bank, a point I made last week here - <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/bond03272007.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/bond03272007.html</a> - which apparently Gowans didn&#8217;t read, judging by his backfire allegation. No doubt Gowans will pull out p.42 of this document - <a href="http://www.nu.ac.za/ccs/files/annual-report2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nu.ac.za/ccs/files/annual-report2005.pdf</a> - and find a CCS &#8216;advisory board member&#8217; from ABSA Foundation. So for the record, during my time at CCS, he has never come to a single meeting or event and I&#8217;ve never met, spoken or communicated to him. So &#8216;no connection&#8217; is still accurate</p>
<p>On the matter of MDC economic policy-making and imperialist interests, I challenge Gowans to find anyone who subjects the party to such detailed critique as myself and coauthor Simba Manyanya, in Zimbabwe&#8217;s Plunge: <a href="http://www.ukznpress.co.za/book.php?action=displaybook&amp;confbookid=191" rel="nofollow">http://www.ukznpress.co.za/book.php?action=displaybook&amp;confbookid=191</a>.</p>
<p>On how &#8220;these policies would benefit the corporations, investors and banks connected to Bond&#8217;s Center for Civil Society&#8221;, I challenge Gowans to find any academic centre in SA working as hard against neoliberalism and imperialism.</p>
<p>Gowans is not only politically ridiculous, he is incompetent, and I won&#8217;t take him seriously any more. Ironically Gowans relied on one of my articles for 1/3 of his citations in his critique of the ANC: <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/gowans04032004.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/gowans04032004.html</a> - but from here on out, I hope he steers clear, given what a wreckless driver he is on the info highway.</p>
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